Beni Johnson had no desire to be an intercessor. All the
intercessors that she knew were depressed. She would feel other
peoples’ feelings when she walked in a room, but assumed that they were
her feelings. However, as God started showing her to release them to
Him in prayer, and freeing her from self-pity and being afraid of what
other thought, she began to realize that she was an intercessor. As
she spent time with God, He would show her people, cities, or problems,
and sometimes solutions. She would pray over these things. Ultimately, she came to realize that being an intercessor is simply
knowing the heartbeat of Heaven and praying it into the world. Intercession is birthed out of simply spending time loving God. As
we get to know Him more intimately, He starts sharing His heart with
us. Intercession is just praying His heart.
Another way of saying this is that we need to pray from third
realm; the realm of God. The first realm is the natural
realm; praying from this realm leads us to focus on what seems
logical and reasonable, which is not usually where God is coming
from. The second realm is where the angels and demons war. When we pray from the second realm, we are often getting supernatural
information, but from the demonic. As believers, we are seated with
Christ, who is in the third realm. When we pray from this realm, we
are seeing things as God sees them. It is both divine perspective
and also where we enforce what Christ has accomplished on the Cross.
Intercessors need to realize that we are on the offensive team. Jesus disarmed the devil on the Cross, and now the devil is on the
defensive. The offensive team does not worry about what the defense
does. Instead, everyone on the offensive team knows the play and
executes it; it is the defense that has to react to the
offense. So intercessors need to single-mindedly focus on God so
that they know what the plan is.
In fact, we are so much on the offensive, that even a single person
change dramatically affect the battle. King Saul was sitting under a
pomegranate tree hoping the Philistine invasion would somehow resolve
itself. His son Jonathan was fed up with the Lord’s army sitting
around, so he and his armor-bearer went up to the Philistine camp by
themselves to attack the Lord’s enemies. They promptly killed twenty
people and the whole Philistine army started fleeing (at which point Saul
finally decided it was a good time to attack).
Similarly, intercession needs to be done from a place of rest. Hebrews says that Jesus is our sabbath rest. It is not us or our
prayers that is doing the work, it is Jesus, and we rely on him. Striving is what the devil does, so when we start finding ourselves
working and striving for the results instead of relying on Jesus for the
results, we need to go back and regain our sabbath rest.
Another important value for intercessors is joy. Jesus is joyful
and Heaven has lots of joy. Jesus has the world under control, so we
don’t need to worry about it; that is his job. Our job is to
pray what Heaven is saying and give the rest to God. “If we feed
ourselves on life and joy and what God is doing here on earth, we will
live like Jesus lived on earth.” (81) Johnson notes that people with
a strong mercy gift seem to have trouble doing this, so they need to be
especially diligent in giving the problem to God.
Joy and worship (something else Heaven is full of) are offensive
weapons. They confuse the enemy, who hates both joy and
worship. Bill Johnson will worship for 45 minutes and pray for 15
minutes if he has an hour to pray. Bethel Church has often had
people dance in worship which seems to clear up barriers. At one
church where they were having trouble having intimate worship, they had
their lead dance dance, and a member of that church said that he had been
seeing demons hanging out, but when she got up and started dancing in
passionate worship, the demons started screaming and got out as fast as
possible. Bethel Church also has intercessory prophetic art during
worship; the art team even joins the worship team for practices,
praying for the team members. Then, during worship, they paint as
the Spirit leads.
Another offensive practice is to take ownership of the region where you
live. This is not so much of a wrenching physical ownership from the
demonic spiritual realm or something. Instead, it is simply caring
about God’s values being expressed in the region because it is your
region; you live there. Johnson was reading about massacres of
Native Americans, and was led to contact the local tribe, the Wintu. Their church has consistently shown them support and sought to work with
them. The small tribe was originally ignored by the local city, but
as Johnson partnered with them, it spilled over to the city, and has been
healing for the tribe.
Going further, intercession needs to take control of the spiritual
communication in an area. The book of Daniel shows spiritual
opposition hindering the answer to his prayer from reaching him for 21
days. We are on the offensive; we need to own the spiritual
airways. She says you do it by praying from the heartbeat of heaven, but
is a little unclear on how this differs from regular intercession.
Johnson discusses sort of a grab-bag of intercession issues. Mostly
it is about not spending lots of time worrying about negative things that
you are getting. Basically, if you have a concern, raise it with
your team leader, but generally, simply pray with the heart to see the
person flourish in the Kingdom. She notes it is easy to see dirt,
but when you see the person how God sees them, then you see the gold in
them. She also gives a warning against praying against demonic
principalities over a region unless God specifically directs you to. Praying against things that God has not told you to can lead to physical
health problems in your church.
The last chapter switches to private prayer, specifically what happens as
we desire God Himself more than anything else. This is essentially
what the Christian mystics were all about—having more of God at any
cost. She describes several types of prayer. Travail is where
we are birthing something new with God, and, like birth, can be
painful. We need to release the burden back to God at the
appropriate time, or the desire to see it birthed versus the present
reality of it not being birthed yet can produce depression. Brooding
prayer is where the Spirit leads to you to explore, through prayer, His
heart for a situation. The dark night of the soul is an
intense problem that (hopefully) drives us to abandon everything to God in
total surrender. Ecstasy is “a period of time in prayer when the
awareness of the soul is suspended and the only focus that the person has
is the incredible presence of the Lord.” (179) Contemplative prayer
is like “tasting” God; directly experiencing His love through
contemplating aspects of Him. Finally, meditation on Scripture (lectio
divina) is filling our mind with a Scripture read slowly and
repetitively to understand that aspect of God deeply. (Note that it
is not emptying our mind!)
The book is a quick read. Johnson is more of a story-teller than
someone like Paul who builds an argument. Given the very subjective
nature of spiritual experience, I think it works fairly well. However, it is pretty far out on the Charismatic spectrum, even touching
on some New Age topics (for example, thin places). Her argument is
that the spiritual realm is real, and that New Age, etc. is picking up on
realities of the spiritual, just corrupted. Conservative readers
should be forewarned. I, personally, found a statement that made in
a talk at Bethel by another speaker helpful: “the offense of the
apostolic is persecution [e.g. the people opposing Paul]; the
offense of the prophetic is foolishness.” So if you find yourself
saying “What?! You gotta be kidding me!?” remembering that the Bible
does say that the wisdom of God is foolishness to the world; even if
you end up not agreeing, it should put you in a frame of mind to more
easily understand what she is trying to say.
I found this book easy to read, but difficult to get a good mental
understanding of what she was trying to say. Frankly, the book felt
like she was spider-webbing (when someone, women more often, jump around
from point to point without a structure that is clear from the
outside). Each chapter flows okay, but the book as a whole is hard
to get a handle on. That said, from my notes and this summary, I
feel like her main points are:
- Intercession is praying God’s heart. So at its essence,
intercession is about being intimate with God and hearing His heart.
- We are on the offensive. Tools for this are joy and worship
(essential), relying on God for the results (rest), and caring for our
region as if we own it.
I felt that Cindy Jacob’s book,
Possessing
the Gates of the Enemy, was much clearer about the principles
of intercession. However, Johnson, while not the clearest perspective,
does have good stories and brings some ideas that are well-worth
practicing. After all, who wouldn’t want to be a happy intercessor?
Review: 7
The spider-webbing makes it difficult to retain the
principles from the book without taking notes. Other than that, the
stories illustrate well and the book flows well. I feel like the
writing is average, hence a 5, but I am bumping it because she does have
good points if you spend the effort to take notes on the book. The
book feels like it makes some really good points, but is just somewhat
opaque about what the points actually are. Perhaps readers who
spiderweb themselves might find the book speaks to them more easily.
Chapter 1: The Journey
- Beni would feel what other people were feeling (usually negative) when
she walked into a room; she assumed they were her own feelings and
internalized them. This is the gift of discerning of spirits, and
what she needed to do was release them in prayer.
- Many people (other than her parents) told her she was shy, and she
agreed with that and made it her identity. She was so shy she
would rather flunk an oral exam than speak in front of people.
- As a pastor’s wife at Weaverville, she prayed, but just in the
ordinary way for family, people in the church, etc.
- She and her husband visited the Toronto Airport Fellowship in 1995,
and a guy drunk in the Holy Spirit put his finger on her and she started
shaking violently for 20 minutes. She asked God the next day what
had happened and He said that she had shaken her strongholds out of
her. This gave her the power to resist things like self-pity that
came along.
- Shortly afterwards, at a women’s retreat, she was minding her own
business and the Holy Spirit came on her and she began to cry as God
began pulling His live into her. She began having deep and intense
intimacy with God.
- After this, leading started becoming easy. She stopped caring
what other people thought.
- In her times of intimacy with God, she started getting pictures of
people, or cities, or problems, and would start crying out to God for
solutions. If God showed her solutions she would pray about that.
- “My definition for being an intercessor is ‘capturing the
heartbeat of Heaven and declaring or praying that into my world. It’s true agreement with Heaven.’” (28)
Chapter 2: Praying From His Heart
- When she is in the secret place, experiencing God’s Presence and
liquid love, she often sees people, places, situations and feels like
God is giving her something to brood over (the way God brooded over the
waters in Gen 1:1). She usually just agrees with God, and feels
like she is somehow the womb of God (the innermost being from which flow
rivers of living water in John 7:38 is based on the root for
“womb.”) [I get the feeling from her choice of “brood” that God
might be inviting her deeper than that.]
- Often we go to God with an idea of what we want Him to do; often
He wants to do something entirely different. We need to go into
His Presence with no agenda.
- “Intercession is just the fruit of being with Him. It was
birthed in my own heart because of spending time with Him.” (32).
- When your heart is intertwined with His, you pick up His heartbeat,
and from that comes your prayers.
- God likes our ideas, and sometimes we don’t know whether an idea God
likes is ours or His.
- It was David’s idea to build a temple, and God liked it.
- Beni had the idea to pour a bottle of wine at a Croatian WWII
concentration camp as a prophetic act of reconciliation. The
local pastor in the group visiting the concentration camp was Croatian
and his wife was Serbian, so their marriage was already a
reconciliation, and they poured out the wine. The idea felt
right to her, but she doesn’t know if it was hers or God’s.
- “I feel like our lives can be so intertwined with God’s that our
thoughts, feelings, and even what we do are melted together with
His. When God made us just the way we are, He liked what He
made. He likes everything about us. I believe He enjoys
our ideas, and we in turn like His ideas. God chooses us, as He
chose David.” (34-5)
- When her daughter gave birth to her first child, Beni was the
midwife. At one point someone came in kind of oblivious to the
process and was talking, but her daughter did not even notice because
she was so focus on her mother during the contractions. During a
time of birthing something with God, we need that kind of focus on God.
- “When I pray from the heart of God, I become so lost in the presence
of God that it feels like the only thing I am listening to is the
voice of God. In that place, His heart, His plans, His voice
become so real that it is almost as if He and I become one. At
those times, it feels like I pray with Him. When I am in that
place, all I have to do is agree with God and partner with the things
that are already on His heart. ... Those are the times when I
begin to see real breakthrough, no agenda required.” (36-7)
Chapter 3: An Offensive Lifestyle
- Jesus got the offensive back on the Cross; we are on the
offensive now, and we should pray that way. In American football,
it is the offense that has the ball and everyone on the team knows what
is going to happen; it is the defense who has to try to read the
play and react to it. Don’t worry about what the devil is doing,
figure out what God is doing.
- When one of their grandchildren was born, the mother had an
infection and they had to do an emergency C-section. The baby
had an Apgar count of 2 (out of 10; usually 2s don’t make
it). She asked God what was going on, and He said it was just
warfare, just say “no.” So the family prayed that way, and in 10
minutes the baby’s Apgar was up to 7.
- A hunter does target practice so that he kills the animal, not merely
wounding it. Likewise, we need to pray to hit the mark.
- Meditating [repeatedly or over a extended period?] on a piece of
Scripture lets it sink in and transform how we think and pray.
- Pray from a knowledge of what to do. In 1 Chron 12:32, the
tribe of Issachar were “men who understood the times, with knowledge
of what Israel should do” and they switched allegiance from Saul to
David. Pray from the plan of God.
- Hezekiah is an example of offensive prayer. When Sennacherib
attacked Jerusalem, he puts on sackcloth and immediately goes to the
house of God (the temple): go to the Presence. He also
contacts the prophet Isaiah. When Sennacherib sends a threatening
letter, Hezekiah again goes to the house of God, spreads out the letter
in front of God, and says that this problem is contradicting the nature
of God who protects Israel, asking God to come through. Then
Isaiah gets the word that God will wipe out Sennacherib’s army.
- Prophetic acts can be powerful.
- One person can change the tide of battle. Saul was sitting under
a pomegranate tree hoping that the Philistine problem would go away,
instead of doing what kings should do and fighting the problem. His son, Jonathan, was fed up, and went secretly with his armor
bearer. He climbed up a difficult way, killed twenty of them, and
the army fled. Saul eventually found out and chased them. Jonathan (and his armor bearer) caused the win all by himself.
Chapter 4: Ownership
- When we take ownership of an area [as in, take ownership of a
situation, not this is exclusively mine], we identify with it. This involves considering its sins our sins, repenting on behalf of the
people, initiating reconciliation, etc.
- One day she was reading about the massacres of the Native Americans
and started asking God what to do to bring healing to the land. The local Wintu Tribe was not recognized or honored by the city, but
she started interacting with the Tribal Council, her church started
sending monthly checks to the Wintu Nation. Healing has
progressed so that the city invited the Wintu Council to be a part of
prayers at the opening ceremony for the Sundial Bridge in 2004.
- [I had always interpreted bloodshed and the land requiring healing
as being the physical land—soil, etc.—requiring the healing, which
struck me as weird. But her story suggests that it is the
people in the land that need the healing. I totally makes
sense that bloodshed hurts the people in the land, who then need
healing.]
- Beni found out that the area has a lot of marijuana grown [the book
was written before California legalized marijuana], and money from the
sale went to making other drugs. She felt led to pray at sunrise
on a new moon cycle at the northern border of the California. (From experience, praying at sunrise is more effective because there
is an open Heaven then.) They blew a shofar at sunrise, then
found herself asking for forgiveness for letting a spirit of sorcery
in. (Apparently the Greek word for “sorcery” includes the use of
drugs) In the next month, a bunch of unusual drug busts
happened—in one, a U-Haul tipped over on the highway and a meth-lab
spilled out! California is apparently on the drug route to
Canada, and a drug smuggler acquaintance of Beni’s had his Canadian
friend ask why no drugs where getting through. Shortly
afterwards, her friend became a Christian.
Chapter 5: Jesus, Our Example of Joy
- Heaven is full of joy!
- Jesus endured the cross for the joy set before him.
- Yes, there is a bunch of bad stuff going on in the world and that
rightly that should concern us. However, it isn’t our burden to
bear. Beni had a vision during a time of praying about something
like this: she and Jesus were walking with their arms around each
other’s shoulders, but his left hand hand was closed around
something. She asked him what it was, he opened his hand, and
there was the world, looking small in his hand. Jesus has the
world taken care of.
- “What comes from Jesus’ completeness on the cross is that we can now
fight from victory not for victory.” (78)
- “I’m not saying that there aren’t times during deep prayer that we
feel and pray with a burden. We can carry this in times of
prayer, but I feel that we are not allowed to carry it outside our
intercessions. There is an exchange program for us. We
give him weary heavy burdens; He gives us rest.”
(79)
- People with a mercy gift struggle with this more than others. “It becomes unsanctified mercy because it is carried in
human strength. The best solution is to press into God more and
to receive His words.” (79)
- “If we feed ourselves on life and joy and what God is doing here on
earth, we will live like Jesus lived on earth.” (81)
Chapter 6: The Three Realms
- There are three spiritual realms:
- The first realm is the natural realm.
- The second realm is where angels and demons battle (but appears like
a really nice place [speculation: perhaps because it is where angels
were live?])
- The third realm is where God’s Presence is. It is where we
should live (we are seated with Christ).
- We need to pray from the third realm.
- “When intercessors get stuck in the first realm, they are
preoccupied with logic and reason. Then their prayers become
focused on what seems logical, which is not where God is
coming from most of the time!” (93)
- When you pray from the second realm, you can get stuck with the
demonic view, which is depressing.
- “I can tell when [I have done too much research and] I am not
focused on the third heaven because the problem starts to look bigger
than the answer.” (97)
- Psalm 73 is an example of the change that comes from spending time
in the third realm.
- “It is not that the problems go away, but that you have a heavenly
outlook now and understand that God has it all under control. This is also the place of authority for the believer—'seated in the
heavenly places with Christ’ (see Eph. 2:6). It is not merely a
place of divine perspective. It is the place of our enforcement
of Christ’s accomplishments at Calvary.” (99)
Chapter 7: Airways
- Whoever owns the spiritual airways (lines of communication) over an
area controls the spiritual atmosphere there.
- Daniel 10 shows God giving an answer as soon as Daniel started to
pray in Babylon, but it took 21 days and the assistance of the
archangel Michael for the message to actually get through; there
is a spiritual reality that hinders the work of God.
- You own the airways by praying the heartbeat of Heaven. You can
tell when you do: things start to happen.
- There was a bar that burned down the night a man from their church
wished the bar would burn down (a friend’s daughter had been killed
there). The property sat empty for years. Beni took a
group of students there to pray to lift the curse on the land. Within a week, someone came to the city with a proposal for the land.
- Beni heard a prophecy of an earthquake in California. There
are always people saying California will have earthquakes, but Beni
felt different about this one. So she took a couple people to
places on the San Andreas fault to pray for the stress to be released
gradually. They blew a shofar at dawn at one location and both
she and another person had the same vision at the same time, of a
large tube with dried blood that started flowing freely, which they
took as a sign that the blood of Jesus was covering the region.
- (Matter can have spiritual memory. For example, Elisha’s bones
healed a man thrown on them long after Elisha had died.)
- Intercessors stand in the gap. God was going to destroy the
Israelites, but Moses stood in the gap and said that God would dishonor
his name among the Egyptians if he did that.
- Intercession does not require words. Could be a prophetic act.
Chapter 8: Warfare Through Worship and Joy
- The Greek word for “worship” means “to kiss.”
- Worship is warfare. Demons can’t stand it.
- Once Beni felt like there were witches at the service and was
looking around to see how to minister against it, but the Holy Spirit
said “just worship Me;" He would take care of the spiritual
part.
- If Bill Johnson has an hour to pray, he will spend 45 minutes
worshiping and 15 praying.
- During a ministry trip in Alaska, the worship just was not getting
intimate at all, for several services. So her husband had their
lead dancer get up and dance in worship. She does not dance for
war, but simply worships mightily. A man at this sermon said
that demons had been there, but when she started dancing, they started
screaming and got out as fast as possible.
- In 2 Chronicles 20, Jehoshephat was attacked, so he set his face
towards God until he got an answer. God said he wouldn’t have to
fight the battle. So he sent the priests in front of the army to
worship, and when they got there, the three allied armies had
completely killed each other.
- Jesus says his burden is easy and his yoke light; there is no
striving in Heaven, that is what the devil does.
- Was once part of a prayer team that felt it was there job to pray
against the demonic in the church. Was a lot of work. A
young Christian woman had joined the prayer team, but after a while
left the church (although not God) and never came back because she
just got so burned out.
- In contrast, the pre-service prayer at Bethel is full of joy, people
soaking, etc.
- Joy confuses the enemy.
- Joy is also physically good for us. The University of Maryland
did a study that concluded that thirty minutes of exercise three times a
week at 15 minutes of laughter a day is probably good for the vascular
system.
Chapter 9: The Rest that Is Internal
- Hebrews says that Jesus is our Sabbath rest. We minister out of rest,
not out of striving. Striving is when we need to do everything
ourselves. When we have a heart of rest, we depend on God to get
the work done (of course, we are still His hands and feet, but we aren’t
depending on us to get it done).
- It is essential to keep your rest as an intercessor.
- Beni’s daughter was nanny for a three-year-old girl. The three
of them met at a restaurant for lunch, and the girl could sense the
pain and sadness in the woman’s heart behind them and it really
bothered her. Beni prayed for Jesus to help the woman. The
girl was still bothered, so Beni prayed again, and then told the girl
that she needed to give the feeling to Jesus and let it go. Then
the girl was fine, and happy like normal.
- Jesus had such internal security that he could sleep through a storm
that terrified his disciples (who, being fisherman, were used to
sailing).
- When we panic, or fear, we need to sit down and regain our rest.
Chapter 10: Addressing the Issues
- Intercession is a helping gift, it is helping the leaders by praying
protection and blessing on them, their families, and their ministries.
- If you are getting bad stuff about a person, then figure out how God
sees them and pray that way.
- Anyone can find dirt; seeing people how God sees this is finding
the gold in them.
- The intercession team needs to have a leader, otherwise the pastor(s)
will get warn out with the intercessors coming to them about things they
think might be important. Instead, they can bring it to the team
leader, who can bring the relevant things to the pastor’s attention.
- Art is used for intercession during the service. The
intercessors come during worship practice and pray for the
musicians. Then during the service, they paint led by the
Spirit. The goal is paintings that are, themselves, prophetic.
- During 48-hour prayer, they play worship music for soaking, have
stations for journaling prayer, writing to God, a map to write prayers
on, etc.
- Prophetic intercession spends time soaking in God’s Presence, then
pray out of oneness with God.
- Avoid prayers like “God, please teach our pastor <my way of
thinking>.” This is little different from witchcraft (trying to
control/manipulate someone through the spiritual realm), although it is
often done with good intentions. Intercessors serve the
leaders; pray blessing over the leaders.
- Avoid doing spiritual warfare in places where God did not send
you. One church had a lot of miscarriages resulting from the
prayer team rebuking the principality of the region, which God had not
sent them to do. If you have any hesitation in your spirit, don’t
do it.
Chapter 11: Mystics, Mystical Experiences, and Contemplative Prayer
- A mystic is someone who wants nothing more than a continual awareness
of God.
- Obviously, such a person is comfortable in the spiritual realm,
since that is where God is.
- There are several types of mystics:
- Cave-dweller: someone who likes to be alone with God more than
anything else.
- Seer: someone who sees in the spirit; they are able to
discern the times.
- When you know what it is like to feel connected to God, you want to be
there all the time.
- “When we connect with God, we make ourselves aware that He is right
there all the time. ... And because I have spent time with God,
focusing on His presence, I have found that I now have access to an
instant connection.” (166)
- Most people have this view of mystics as people who are secluded from
others, but that is not actually the case. Many of the historical
mystics were normal people and impacted the world (St. Patrick and
Columba are two good examples).
- The mystics are no different than you and me. They are
everyday people who have chosen to lay their lives down to seek after
God. ... [They say, ‘God, I must have you no matter what it costs
me.'] The heart cry of the mystic is, ‘Take the world but give
me you.’” (167-168)
- David was a mystic.
- “When I spend time in the secret place, alone with God, I become so
wrapped up in His presence that very other desire looses its
importance to me. When I allow His presence to consume me, I
surrender myself so completely to His will that my desires begin to
line up with His. I become fully engulfed in His presence, lost
in a sea of His beauty, and captivated by His love. In that
place is the fullness of joy, the fullness of peace, the fullness of
love, and the fullness of acceptance. In that place, I become
one with Him.” (169)
- You need to truly believe that God is good, otherwise your fears
prevent you from fully letting God in.
- Types of prayer:
- Travail: “an intense feeling of giving birth to something.”
(172) Sometimes you use words, often deep groans from your inner
man, sometimes prophetic acts.
- You need to give the burden back to God at the appropriate point,
otherwise you will carry it to long and may become depressed.
- You don’t choose to travail; travail chooses you.
- Brooding: times when the Holy Spirit gives us something
specific to pray over and it doesn’t go away. You sit on this
issue for a long period of time.
- This is the same sort of brooding that the Holy Spirit was moving
over the waters in Gen 1:1.
- Need to look for answers as God gives you more insight in what to
pray for. God always answers our prayers, so look for the
answer.
- Thin places: locations where Heaven is close to earth.
- Dark night of the soul: the really hard times where we either
run away from God or to Him. It enables us to come to God in
total surrender.
- Ecstasy: “a period of time in prayer when the awareness of the
soul is suspended and the only focus that the person has is the
incredible presence of the Lord.” (179)
- Contemplative prayer:
- “Reading seeks, meditation finds (meaning), prayer demands,
contemplation tastes (God).
Reading provides solid food, meditation masticates (chews); prayer achieves a savor; contemplation is the sweetness that
refreshes.
Reading is on the surface; meditation gets to the inner substance;
prayer demands by desire; contemplation experiences by
delight. —Teresa of Avila” (181)
- Meditation: slow and thoughtful reading of Scripture; lectio
divina.
- Meditation is not emptying your mind; it is the
opposite: filling your mind with God’s greatness and
character.
- Ultimately, prayer is to be lost in God.
- You can also ask the Holy Spirit to brood over loved ones who are
rejecting Him.